Flippin and Floppin Just Like a Flounder
Jim clearly won the debate last night. He put forth a great vision for Florida that includes everyone, especially those forgotten by our current administration. Highlights from the debate:
- Increasing teacher's salaries by $4000
- Reducing homeowner's insurance by 40%
- Reducing property taxes by $1 billion
Jim Davis presented real plans that will help real people right away. Charlie "Stay the Course" Crist offered empty slogans and more of the same. I sat there watching him say nothing at all - just sound bites - and wondered why anyone would nominate such an empty suit in the first place. From the Florida Dems:
Charlie Crist...continued to waffle through the issues, sadly trying to dance around the numerous positions he's taken on every issue of concern to Floridians across the state.
Which of his waffles is the hardest to swallow?
Vote for your favorite here. And don't forget to vote for Jim Davis for governor. Thanks for your support!
posted by kate @ 2:50 AM
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28 Comments:
Jebbie and his administration have never really understood-or bothered to hear-the voice of anguished parents whose children are retained-sometimes twice-in elementary school because of the inability to pass the FCAT. Davis hears those parents and he needs to continue to pound that message home...lawyers have no business sticking their heads into education. Kids are not machines that can be built on an assembly line....one thing I would suggest mention is how Florida students are constantly schooled in how to take the test...creativity is slowing dying the way of the dinosaur...oh, yeah...Science is barely taught in elementary school as well...Social Studies is practically none existent...got to score well on the FCAT. Read your Florida Statues, voters...if your kiddo does not pass the FCAT in the third grade...automatic retention....Florida is great about passing laws that automatically "do" things. This one effects your kids. Don't be fooled by Crist. VOTE DAVIS.
Kate, your partisan sunglasses are astounding. I am pretty sure I watched the same debate as you, and I would have given a slight advantage to Crist.
In no way did Davis throw any knock out punches, and only hard core partisans think that. You can believe he won if you like, but even the liberal leaning newspapers across the country said it was pretty even.
Just in case like the other partisans, you are believing only 1-2 polls, and ignoring all the others, 7 polls have come out in the last 5 days, and the average has Crist up 9% with only 8% undecided.
There is just not much Davis is going to be able to do, Crist is gonna win. You can disagree, but we will then discuss it November 8th when Crist won.
Now, I wouldn't say Jim CLEARLY won but he did come out better than Crist in my mind.
Crist reminded me of a used car salesman on the podium... Not just that, but when he tried invoking Reaganisms, it really hit me as elitist and out-of-touch. ESPECIALLY the "top of a hill" remark. Oh yes, we all think fondly of Florida but the only people who can see it entirely positively right now are the ones who are buying condo-hotel rooms and penthouses in Condo towers in Tampa, Miami, Orlando and elsewhere.
For the working family, Florida is becoming much too unaffordable and catering to the lowest-common-denominator.
You are clearly a partisan as well, showing the typical democrat wealth envy scenario. Rising home values lifts virtually all boats. Home ownership rate in FL is 71%.
If you want an independent non partisan view, listen to my wife. She hates anything political, and doesnt want to watch any news at all. (luckily for me she asks me who to vote for, and does it)
She sat down next to me during the debate while i had a meal she wanted bites from, and after 10 minutes, she said she cant watch it anymore b/c the Davis guy just keeps saying the same thing 'I stand up to george bush and republicans'.
She said she couldnt take his lines anymore. She was wondering why he kept talking about washington and george bush when he was running in Florida.
In case you think she is partisan, at one point she also said, charlie didnt even answer that question (about growth). I said, yea, he does that sometimes.
Ouch. Partisan. That hurts.
Yes, I am partisan and for a very good reason - I am a Democrat. I have yet to meet a Republican candidate I can believe in or even support.
Jim Davis won last night because he gave real answers - not empty sound bites.
Yes. Please tell me more insight from the little lady who votes the way she's told to vote. Way to find 'em caveman. LOVE IT.
Not quite there Kate, she is no cavewoman living like the 1800's, she just says politics is too negative, so she wants to hear none of it. She works full time, and we share all housework, like most people these days. She just doesnt care about politics at all.
The 'empty sound bites', that is what the 'partisan democrats' are saying. I know Crist didnt answer the growth answer first, and he barely answered one other question, but the rest were very clear and simple answers, which is what folks like anyways.
Oh yea, Kate, Im still waiting on your response to me showing you that Quinnipiac is the outlier poll, and you cant only believe that one poll:
Mason-Dixon, Crist 50-39
Zogby, Crist 50-41
Rasmussen, Crist 46-41
Quinnipiac, Crist 46-44
Cromer, Crist 49-38
AIF, Crist 46-32
Strat. Vis., Crist 51-42
AVERAGE
CRIST 49%
DAVIS 40%
LINN 1%
OTHERS 1%
UNDECIDED 9%
Quinnipiac just came out with a poll with Cruella Deville down 64-29 to Nelson. While i know Harris will lose, ALL other polls show Harris down 17-26%, not 35%. That was the same sample as Crist poll. They are oversampling democrats.
Oh, lord you two ...
I got my mail ballot last week and voted, it's too late for either of you, I'm done, I voted, over and out ... (oh, and I live in Colorado) .. Hey, I voted to leagalize pot! Mile High City indeed ..
And, bought a condo, pics on the blog, cool place ...
cheers, chase
Im still waiting for your counter on the NUMEROUS other polls that show Crist up. The spinning liberals arent believing any polls except quinnipiac, which I have PROVEN oversampled democrats, and is inaccurate.
First things first - you said that only liberals think Davis won? Think again.
TAMPA – In this morning’s editions, newspapers across Florida reported that during last night’s debate, Davis made a strong impression and effectively drove home his commitment to bringing about change in Florida, as opposed to his opponent’s stay-the-course strategy. Listed below is just a sampling of the good reviews of Davis’s debate performance:
St. Petersburg Times editorial: “Davis Spoke More Clearly And Specifically About The Issues”
Jim Davis had a good night Tuesday night, and Charlie Crist had an average one. In the first televised debate between the candidates for governor, Davis spoke more clearly and specifically about the issues that matter most to Floridians: taxes, education and homeowners insurance…He put his best foot forward Tuesday night.” [St. Petersburg Times editorial, 10/25/06]
Adam Smith, St. Petersburg Times: Davis “Came Off As Sharp, Substantive”
“Davis…came off as sharp, substantive and better-equipped with specifics than Republican Attorney General Crist… Davis has dramatically improved… Davis scored points when he repeatedly pressed Crist for not supporting tax relief for businesses and renters…He may have made a strong impression on some of those strangers Tuesday, and gave his supporters reason for excitement in the final stretch.” [Adam Smith, St. Petersburg Times, 10/25/06]
St. Petersburg Times: Davis “Showed A More Aggressive Side”
“Davis…showed a more aggressive side. He portrayed Crist as a symbol of the status quo of high student dropout rates and rising taxes, who has refused to stand up to the insurance industry as attorney general… Davis warned a restive electorate that Crist is the candidate who would ‘stay the course’ at a time when change is needed.” [St. Petersburg Times, 10/25/06]
Orlando Sentinel: “It Was Clear Davis Was Ready”
“Tuesday night marked Davis' long-awaited opportunity to share the stage with Crist, who has avoided joint appearances with his opponent and been content to rely on an avalanche of 30-second TV ads. And it was clear Davis was ready.” [Orlando Sentinel, 10/25/06]
Tampa Tribune: Davis “Turned The Attack Around”
“Davis diffused Crist's attempts to gain the higher ground on civil rights…Davis said both Freddie Pitts and Wilbert Lee accepted his apology and noted that Pitts was in attendance at Nova Southeastern University in Davie to support him at the debate. He then turned the attack around.” [Tampa Tribune, 10/25/06]
Kate names all liberal papers it's a shame she is a teacher who has and influence on our children. Davis is a no-show elected official who clearly lost the debate because he stands for nothing. I can't wait till the election is over and the Dems are crying saying if we only picked Rod Smith another liberal loser.
Actually kate only cut and pasted from Jim Davis web site. How lame Kate, you cant even come up with the whole article. EVERY newspaper, which I read every article, just said they traded jabs, Davis did this well, Crist did this well, blah blah. NOT a single paper said davis won AT ALL.
http://www.jimdavis2006.com/main.cfm?actionId=globalShowStaticContent&screenKey=cmpPress&htmlId=7471
THe Jim Davis website simply cut tidbits from each article and posted it on their site, making it look like he dominated. How sad.
Is that all you liberals have, then i have got your number nailed, and you dont have anything.
BTW Kate, why do u keep ignoring me PROVING that the quinnipiac poll is wrong and that Crist is actually leading by 8% to 11%. So sad you cant come back with anything.
angrywhiteman sez what?
Once again, you have nothing factual.
Rich, are you going to stop beating off in Kate's comments and post something of substance besides attacking?
You're more full of shit than you attack Kate for being. Why don't you say something worth MERIT? How did Crist come out ahead in the debate besides your own Partisan spin on things? Oh, and your response will be decidedly partisan.
As for the annoymous/Internet-Fuckwad-Theory-member, you cited Adam C. Smith - known and reknown Republican editorialist for the St. Pete Times -- as a left leaning writer? My, the blather is getting thick hot and desperate from the right... Attacking your own like that. It's sorta like the Republican Party operatives trying to out Crist right now -- how fucked up is that? When did Republicans become canibals?
Meanwhile -- CHASE SQUIRES?!? Holy hell! Great to see you drop in on a (for the moment) blog back in Tampa Bay.
John, I am posting the polls that are FACTS, supporting the FACT that crist is up by 8% to 11%. See my 2:20 post.
I showed the FACT that the quinnipiac poll is wrong, and oversampled democrats, as they showed Harris behind 35%, when ALL other polls show Harris behind 17-26%. That is a FACT.
I showed the FACT that all the newspapers in FLorida said they just traded jabs at each other, with NO winner.
These are FACTS that Kate will not answer when she falsely says Davis is tied with Crist, based on one poll that has been PROVEN to be wrong. And i know Kate will NEVER answer me PROVING that Crist really is up 8% to 11%.
I speak for liberals all over the state who saw a winner in Jim Davis Tuesday night. I also believe that as election day nears, more people will turn from Crist and vote for Davis.
So suck it.
Kate, who is this loser named Rich and what the hell does he think he's accomplishing here????
Becky,
Me not being a raging partisan liberal means i am a loser? Not quite, who has been losing races for a decade now.
I am keeping you liberals who spin faster than washing machines straight on the true facts.
Trust me, I will be here monitoring for unfactual spin, and will pounce on it, and keep you liberals up to date on the polls that are coming out with Crist ahead comfortably.
There was no Joe DiMaggio at this debate
Jim Davis thought he was so clever last night as he handed a copy of his insurance bill to his opponent Charlie Crist. During this foosball “Mommy and Me” encounter masquerading as a debate, this Xanax-a-thon, or, I’m sure the MSM is spinning as, a fight between two Titans. Sorry Charlie and jerky Jim didn’t make it as performance art. Davis executed his political consultant upstage trick, as “bold move” with all the smirk and deft mannerisms of Richard Nixon.
We had our normal pander to labor, teachers, Cubans, Jews and countless others. I forgot big business. Charlie said keep those sales tax exemptions a float. He also put in a plug for Greeks, yet there wasn’t a word spoken about our always overlooked minority—gay Lithuanian defrock priests with one leg (no emails please).
The one thing we do know is “Stay(ing) the Course” isn’t flying. Does anyone know how many times Davis rattled-off that line?
A chair was of utmost importance. Crist repeatedly said he filled his, while Davis did not. I’m feeling like Andy Rooney, here. It’s not empty chairs we should be worried about but empty suits.
Second generation Florida face-offs always include a mention of Lawton Chiles—a derogatory remark by Crist, and Davis’ daddy fighting for civil rights along-side Leroy Collins. This certainly did Pitts and Lee a lot of good.
Why is it no GOP pol swoons at the name Claude Kirk? The first Republican governor, I suppose, since reconstruction. My knowledge of Florida history doesn’t go that far back.
Declining an invitation by what had to be a low-level Crist campaign aide to attend, I tuned-in from my living room. The invite was befuddling unless they were planning an et tu Brute on my ass. From the comfort of my easy chair, I caught a whiff of the “combative” talking points that each side knew well since their pollsters told them these pithy morsels sway voters.
Davis attacked Crist on his selection of --what’s his name for a running mate, Crist praised Daryl Jones.
Intangibles tax, homestead exemption, a three-percent portable cap, shell games, cherry picking, and a partridge in a pear tree; it began to sound like the “Blessed be Gods” during a Catholic Benediction.
We heard the same flim-flam on health care, prescription drugs, and senior issues. Here both candidates said pretty much the same thing, despite the number crunchers advice not to “Stay the Course.”
Crist tried to make it sound like Davis favored the importation of heroin or ibogaine. You might get the latter from Canada but certainly not the former, particularly if you want something good.
Both men at this point are probably waxing and waning as pols do just three weeks out. They do ride and revive from a daily emotional rollercoaster the way of the stars—politics being Hollywood for ugly people— of La La Land. The “I smoked it but didn’t inhale” jive doesn’t fly when you're in the now as opposed to the then.
All I can say is no one ever did the D-word on this ops watch—although there was one candidate who seemed to enjoy the over use of baby laxative, or maybe it was talc but he wouldn’t share.
I going to raise the homestead exemption, no I’m going to raise the… schoolyard banter.
The FCAT--the sword of Damocles that hung over both men-- and get this; "the teach to the test mentality" was Lawton Chiles’ idea. If only the prop man wasn't exhausted after Davis' stunt, or was that before, Crist’s sacrilege against “Walkin Lawton.”
Maybe my memory is faulty, I thought Chiles favored a national standardized test to measure progress, not to penalize teachers and shrink school budgets for under-performance. It seems ass-backward but...c'est la vie.
Davis wants to give the FCAT the boot. Crist wants to keep it because “Life is a Test.” Isn’t that why we have principals and teachers? I’ll mention it again; we all know how Einstein tested.
Also, on the education front, there was no talk about teaching kids to think. Davis favors empowering student by teaching them critical thinking skills. Crist is cautious since smart kids won’t be GOP-kids.
Teachers must come really cheap. To garner their crucial endorsement all Davis had to do is promise them a $4,000-a-year pay increase. The top twenty-five percent of teachers will get raises. He didn’t say anything about the bottom end.
According to Davis, only twenty-percent of high school sophomores graduate from college. I suppose that counts the “idiot boxes” turned into “colleges” under King Bush’s reign. Just another of JEB's! deceitful ways to fudge “One Florida” diversity. We all know this is a Bushism for the replacement of the dreaded evil—affirmation action.
Former state senator Daryl Jones, Davis’ running mate, selected so he can ratchet the enthusiasm of African American votes, has several problems here. Jones’ race for Gov four years ago didn’t go over all that well with African American voters.
This Jones brouhaha was over Jeb’s! invitation to be a member of a commission charged with the evisceration of public education. He was so honored to receive this nod yet the members of the Black caucus, which he chaired at the time, literally wanted chop his balls off. If Charlie walks on Jeb’s! path we will see this academic disembowelment continue. For the general population, there’s the Air Force flight record imbroglio that’s dogged Jones for years. I’ve also read there might be some financial shenanigans, too.
So, there’s still time for Crist to finesse, or as Republicans are want to do—suppress the African-American vote. GOP rockets aimed at Jones may be fired soon.
There wasn’t much given to the tree-huggers. Crist flaunted his vote for the Everglades Restoration Act. Davis touted his Sierra Club endorsement. The eco-bureaucracy wants to be sure both candidates will help give them reasons to soak contributions from their flock.
Neither candidate mentioned the Fenholloway cesspool; since Taylor County only has a population of twenty-thousand. Both candidates are saying let them drink pulp mill effluent, How soon we forget, a 50-50 spit of Taylor County voters in 2000 might have meant Al Gore, rather than GW as our lame-duck president.
Davis reeled in his no oilrigs off the Florida coast bona fides. I can picture the rigs sprouting up from my beachfront terrace. A black-gold deal must be struck, what Bush would leave office without an ante-up for the oil boys?
I almost forgot. Davis accused Crist, not of being chain gang Charlie, but strip mall Charlie.
Davis plugged his growth management policy. Crist, Davis charged has received $4 million from developers.
It was interesting to hear a Democrat talk about tax cuts. But that’s the old D-R face-off, the Ds rape business while the Rs rape us.
To my surprise there was no real yick-yack about social issues except for reproductive rights and what to call someone who “went-down” on Terri Schiavo—a vegetarian.
Stem cell research was discussed but with the absence of other social issue zeitgeist, both campaigns must be confident they’ve secured their bases. The Crist-Davis double is nothing like a Joe DiMaggio, Lawton Chiles or Buddy MacKay homerun.
Now it’s just a matter of who moves more butts to the polls on E-day. Democrats have a problem since most of their constituents are breathless, three legged, barely or unable to ambulate at all. Missa Requiem raises the turnout import of the I-4 corridor. I think I heard Charlie refer to Hayden’s masterwork as Messen Und Requien.
Are we going to “Change” Tallahassee, or do we want “the people's Governor” who wants to give us “Real Change,” which slogan will you pick. Forewarned is forearm, what we do know is who Charlie thinks the people are.
Absent, was third party candidate Max Linn. I suppose sorry Charlie and jerky Jim aren’t into threesomes (a/k/a the monopoly of the two party system). In fact on this issue they may have surreptitiously teamed-up. Some much for Pro bono publico est notum se pro cive gerere, if the declinations and remembrances of my high school Latin are correct.
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Rich,
You are a loser because you apparently have nothing better to do than "pounce" on "raging liberals" blogsites with plenty of homegrown wisecracks.
Go give your wife another order - that should keep you busy enough.
Fondly.
Becky, its far left hater partisan liberals like you that get me the energy to gloat after Crist pounces Davis into the ground. If you liberals were even civil, I would not do any of this.
And of course as a conservative hating liberal, you make a derogatory line calling me some kind of old school caveman running my wife's life comment. How sad that you have to resort to personal attacks constantly. Ever thought of sticking to the FACTS?
I guess when you have NO facts on your side, and you been losing elections for 10 years, personal attacks are all you have left. So sad.
Fight nice, kids.
Don't bring cavemen into this. Remember those Geico commercials!
http://blogs.tampabay.com/buzz/2006/10/poll_crist_50_d_1.html#comments
Another poll showing Crist up over 10% for you liberals to chew on. This is about the 4th in a row with Crist up 9% or more.
Have a nice day!!
NEW RASMUSSEN POLL
http://www.pollster.com/governor.php
Check out the side area with the latest polls. Its not posted on Rasmussen or Real Clear Politics yet, but it has been completed.
Crist 52%
Davis 41%
Kate and liberals, do you see the writing on the wall yet?
Which writing would that be? The one saying that if those polls are accurate, then Florida voters seem to be about to make a big mistake or the one where polls only seem to be significant to people when they're in support of one's own side? And where the hell did all this graffiti come from, anyway? Wasn't Jeb supposed to clear all that up or something?
I eat babies.
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